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      Apparently I wasn’t the only one <a href="http://www.edwardbakker.nl/PermaLink,guid,96588960-5dd7-44e9-ae10-adb51cb33793.aspx">with
      questions about the relationship between OLSO and the DSL Tools</a>. Both <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/stuart_kent/archive/2008/11/07/dsl-tools-and-oslo.aspx">Stuart
      Kent</a> (DSL Tools) and <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/keith_short/archive/2008/11/06/oslo-and-the-dsl-toolkit.aspx">Keith
      Short</a> (OSLO) respond to these questions from their point of view. Although both
      offerings are based on a different technology stack, they both have a lifecycle in
      front of them, the responsible teams aligned their vision and differences will be
      bridged over future releases. That’s what I call good news!
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   Apparently I wasn’t the only one &lt;a href="http://www.edwardbakker.nl/PermaLink,guid,96588960-5dd7-44e9-ae10-adb51cb33793.aspx"&gt;with
   questions about the relationship between OLSO and the DSL Tools&lt;/a&gt;. Both &lt;a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/stuart_kent/archive/2008/11/07/dsl-tools-and-oslo.aspx"&gt;Stuart
   Kent&lt;/a&gt; (DSL Tools) and &lt;a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/keith_short/archive/2008/11/06/oslo-and-the-dsl-toolkit.aspx"&gt;Keith
   Short&lt;/a&gt; (OSLO) respond to these questions from their point of view. Although both
   offerings are based on a different technology stack, they both have a lifecycle in
   front of them, the responsible teams aligned their vision and differences will be
   bridged over future releases. That’s what I call good news!
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        <p>
          <font face="ver" size="2">Last week at PDC 2008, </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">OSLO</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> was
      announced as the new platform for model driven development. </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">OSLO</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> is
      composed of a language called ‘M’, a tool called ‘Quadrant’ and a repository. After
      the announcement of </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">OSLO</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> I
      spoke to several people asking me my opinion about the difference and/or overlap between </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">OSLO</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> and
      the Microsoft </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">DSL
      Tools</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2">, which is the current toolset for building
      visual DSL’s. Obviously, at that moment wasn’t very clear for a lot of people including
      me. After some more discussing and thinking I have things more clear: </font>
        </p>
        <p>
          <font face="ver" size="2">In the session of </font>
          <a href="http://douglaspurdy.com/">
            <font face="ver" size="2">Douglas
      Purdy</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> and </font>
          <a href="http://www.vijaye.com/">
            <font face="ver" size="2">Vijaye
      Raji</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2">, called ‘</font>
          <a href="http://channel9.msdn.com/pdc2008/TL23/">
            <font face="ver" size="2">A
      lap about OSLO</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2">’, Douglas mentioned three types
      of modeling (models). First, we have ‘drawings’ which are primarily used to communicate
      with others. Perfect tools for creating drawings are whiteboard or tools like Visio.
      Second, we have ‘Model Assisted’ models which are used to understand or manipulate
      code (or other artifacts). Last, we have ‘model driven’ where models are directly
      executed by a runtime and drive runtime behavior of applications. </font>
        </p>
        <p>
          <font face="ver" size="2">Obviously, </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">OSLO</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> is
      all about ‘Model Driven’ and driving runtime behavior. When looking at the new Team
      Architect (UML) diagrams in </font>
          <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=922b4655-93d0-4476-bda4-94cf5f8d4814&amp;DisplayLang=en">
            <font face="ver" size="2">VS
      2010 CTP</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> we can see that </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">DSL
      Tools</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> fit perfectly in the ‘Model Assisted’ world.
      All new diagrams in Team Architect are build on the </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">DSL
      Tools</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> and especially in combination with (future)
      technology, often referred to as ‘designer bus’, </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">DSL
      Tools</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> are very powerful in scenarios where artifact
      generation is involved. </font>
        </p>
        <p>
          <font face="ver" size="2">So, currently each platform supports a different approach.
      Possibly there are some overlaps and only Microsoft can tell how both platforms evolve,
      coexists and/or eventually (partially) integrate? </font>
        </p>
        <p>
          <font face="ver" size="2">In the meantime, I will start experimenting with </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">OSLO</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> and
      definitely continue to work with the </font>
          <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx">
            <font face="ver" size="2">DSL
      Tools</font>
          </a>
          <font face="ver" size="2"> to get the best of both worlds!</font>
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      <title>Another modeling platform</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:45:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;
   &lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;Last week at PDC 2008, &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;OSLO&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; was
   announced as the new platform for model driven development. &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;OSLO&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; is
   composed of a language called ‘M’, a tool called ‘Quadrant’ and a repository. After
   the announcement of &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;OSLO&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; I
   spoke to several people asking me my opinion about the difference and/or overlap between &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;OSLO&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; and
   the Microsoft &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;DSL
   Tools&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;, which is the current toolset for building
   visual DSL’s. Obviously, at that moment wasn’t very clear for a lot of people including
   me. After some more discussing and thinking I have things more clear: &lt;/font&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
   &lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;In the session of &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://douglaspurdy.com/"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;Douglas
   Purdy&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; and &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.vijaye.com/"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;Vijaye
   Raji&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;, called ‘&lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://channel9.msdn.com/pdc2008/TL23/"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;A
   lap about OSLO&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;’, Douglas mentioned three types of
   modeling (models). First, we have ‘drawings’ which are primarily used to communicate
   with others. Perfect tools for creating drawings are whiteboard or tools like Visio.
   Second, we have ‘Model Assisted’ models which are used to understand or manipulate
   code (or other artifacts). Last, we have ‘model driven’ where models are directly
   executed by a runtime and drive runtime behavior of applications. &lt;/font&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
   &lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;Obviously, &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;OSLO&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; is
   all about ‘Model Driven’ and driving runtime behavior. When looking at the new Team
   Architect (UML) diagrams in &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=922b4655-93d0-4476-bda4-94cf5f8d4814&amp;amp;DisplayLang=en"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;VS
   2010 CTP&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; we can see that &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;DSL
   Tools&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; fit perfectly in the ‘Model Assisted’ world.
   All new diagrams in Team Architect are build on the &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;DSL
   Tools&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; and especially in combination with (future)
   technology, often referred to as ‘designer bus’, &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;DSL
   Tools&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; are very powerful in scenarios where artifact
   generation is involved. &lt;/font&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
   &lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;So, currently each platform supports a different approach. Possibly
   there are some overlaps and only Microsoft can tell how both platforms evolve, coexists
   and/or eventually (partially) integrate? &lt;/font&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
   &lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;In the meantime, I will start experimenting with &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/oslo/default.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;OSLO&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; and
   definitely continue to work with the &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126235.aspx"&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt;DSL
   Tools&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face=ver size=2&gt; to get the best of both worlds!&lt;/font&gt; 
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